Post by Seon FergusonProfessor Robert Pape, the foremost international expert
Post by fasgnadhClearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
Who was it who did the 9-11 thing, then? Buddhists?
Fags will probably say the US government or something.
If you can't debate me when I'm talking to you, you weak prick,
why don't you try whining like a little bitch to someone else! B^D
That way you can lie you stupid head off! B^]
--
Post by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhPost by fasgnadhPost by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhLast night I watched a documentary on the Cathars in France in
the 1300s and the efforts made by the church to eliminate them.
1300??? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAAA
I love the way Atheist propagandists have to go back
to the MEDIEVAL period to find misdeeds
by ancient Christians for which they will
irrationally hold modern Christians responsible! B^D
I love the way how religious scum stand up for the barbaric
crimes of the church by saying they happened in the past.
Post by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhPost by fasgnadhSeon.. you poor hysterical dolt.. THEY DID occur in the past!!!
B^)
1,300 A.D. IS THE PAST!! B^D
That is not 'standing up' for those events.. it's the
PLAIN SIMPLE TRUTH!
Now, it's clear that plain simple truth is something CLEARLY
BEYOND all you atheist moral defectives;
That still doesn't justify the barbaric crimes of the church
You are the only one claiming that it does. B^p
I have NEVER denied the inquisition, the Crusades and the
witch burning.. NEVER. YOU made up the 'religious scum
stand up for the Barbaric crimes of the Church'
lie because you have no real argument left!
Your kidding right?
No. I have never denied the inquisition, the Crusades and the witch
burning.. NEVER. If i had, you could quote me doing it.. you can't
because YOU made up the 'religious scum stand up for the
Barbaric crimes of the Church' lie because you have no real argument
left!
Here's proof that you have no argument left, this is known as
Begging the Question.
"Since you are a lying Pig Fucker..." would simply ASSUME, not prove,
that to be true;
Post by Seon FergusonSince religion has been responsible
Since when? Where's the evidence? You have NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.
The only 'facts' you present are SEVEN CENTURIES OLD!! B^D
Are you trying to PROVE that religion has progressed, while
atheism, which KILLED 40,000,000 IN LIVING MEMORY, has REGRESSED?
Nice job, although it appears to have been unintentional on your part!
Post by Seon Fergusonfor the suffering of humanity
So you are arguing that the BILLIONS of believers of the planet
who live peaceful lives, raising their families, quietly worshipping,
running charities and schools are creating more suffering than the
Atheist regimes which tortured and terrorised 40,000,000 people in
last century ALONE!??
I have posted the detiled death tolls from atheist regimes..
where is YOUR evidence...
Oh.. that's right, you IRRATIONAL athesits with NO ARGUMENT, NEVER
HAVE ANY .. that's why you go back to the Dark Ages to drag out
examples FROM THE TIME OF MEDIEVAL BARBARISM, which you think supports
your cause.
Nope.. Wilberforce (Christian) abolished Slavery, Tahireh(Bahai)
declared the Emancipation of Women, half a century before the
Sufragettes in Europe, Islam gave us the Hospice and surgical
instruments still in use.. Hinduism delivered us the Zero..
and Atheism IS one big ZERO!
B^]
Because you have no argument you keep inventing Straw Man
Arguments and posturing angrily as you debate YOURSELF;
Post by Seon Fergusonwhy should I join whatever religion you belong to?
Who asked you to? B^)
You just have serial Hissy Fits when your last bullshit is mocked,
and you try an distract from every failure with new bullshit!
Post by Seon FergusonIt is still responsible for suffering to this day.
"whatever religion I belong to" is responsible for
suffering to this Day?
How can you make such a claim when a) you don't know if I belong to
a religion, let alone which it might be, and b) you have no evidence
of anything like the 40,000,000 death toll from just TWO atheist regimes!
So, here you go. Pretend I am one of these religions and tell
me how many deaths in the past century it is responsible for.
If you can't, then admit defeat, and possibly investgate each one
as cantidates for True Faith;
1. Quakers.
2. Amish.
3. Bahai.
4. Buddhist.
You can't even show that any of those are responsible for even as many
deaths as that atheist Pol Pots Year Zero Genocide, rterrorising and
killing millions.
Post by Seon FergusonLook at 911 and the terrorist attacks commited by Muslims for "Allah"
200,000,000 Indonesian Muslims caught tried and executed a handful
of Islamofascist terrorists. How can you claim that Islam is the cause,
when Muslims were the MAIN VICTIMS **AND** chiefly responsible for
OPPOSING IT.
Are you seriously claiming that if 200,000,000 Muslims are attacked
by a handful of Islamofascist psychopaths acting on POLITICAL motives
and in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the Qur'an, that you choose to hold the
latter as representing Islam, not the former? 8^o
In my view such support of the terrorists is Islamophobic CLAPTRAP,
and you BELONG with the fundies responsible as you have chosen to
believe THEM, and not the VAST MAJORITY of peaceful Muslims, who are
the main VICTIMS of terror.
Moreover, how can you then excuse ANY atheists when EVERY ATHEIST
REGIME.. that is the WHOLE NATION, has been a totalitarian TYRANNY!!!
It seems you are quite illogical and irrational, arguing from PREJUDICE.
Are you familiar with Professor Robert Pape?
"Mohammed Khan the ringleader of the London bombings of 7/7
declared clearly in his martyrdom video that his central
motive was "to punish Britain for atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and other Muslim nations"
Hussein Osma, July 21 would-be bomber said in his interrogation;
'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'" - Pape, "Dying to Win"
Prof Robert Pape, a distinguished academic whose work has been
funded by the Pentagon, and whose views are so respected
by the US Military that he taught at Dartmouth and 'air power
strategy' at the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower Studies,
conducted the ONLY study of the MOTIVATION of suicide bombers,
and thus he doesn't GUESS like Bush did, he UNDERSTANDS
what THE BOMBERS say are their reasons!!!
"The evidence shows that the presence of American troops
is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism."
"A study by University of Chicago political scientist
Robert Pape of 462 suicide-terrorist attacks between
1980 and 2004 worldwide found the overwhelming reason
for the attacks was a clear political objective and
in more than 95 per cent of the cases the "central
objective" was the eviction of foreign troops.
"Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist
attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion,
suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20
attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the
first five months of 2005. Every year that the United
States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq,
suicide terrorism has doubled."
The Bush administration knows this, but avoids the truth;
http://youtu.be/J1bm2GPoFfg
"Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of
Chicago specializing in international security affairs. His publications
include Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random
House 2005); Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War (Cornell
1996), "Why Economic Sanctions Do Not Work," International Security
(1997), "The Determinants of International Moral Action," International
Organization (1999); "The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,"
American Political Science Review (2003); and "Soft Balancing against
the United States," International Security (2005). His commentary on
international security policy has appeared in The New York Times,
Washington Post, New Republic, Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, and
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, as well as on Nightline, ABC News, CBS
News, CNN, Fox News, and National Public Radio. Before coming to Chicago
in 1999, he taught international relations at Dartmouth College for five
years and air power strategy for the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower
Studies for three years. He received his Ph. D. from the University of
Chicago in 1988 and graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from
the University of Pittsburgh in 1982. His current work focuses on the
causes of suicide terrorism and the politics of unipolarity."
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
"Robert Pape graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the
University of Pittsburgh in 1982 and earned his Ph.D. from the
University of Chicago in 1988. During his Ph.D. program he was a TA for
a class taught by John Mearsheimer. He taught international relations at
Dartmouth College from 1991 to 1996 and air power strategy at the United
States Air Force's School of Advanced Airpower Studies from 1996 to
1999. Since 1999 he has taught at the University of Chicago, where he is
Associate Professor of Political Science. He defines the focus of his
current work as "the effect of technological change on conflict and
cooperation among major powers and the theory and practice of suicide
terrorism."
After presenting preliminary data on his research into suicide terrorism
in the American Political Science Review in 2003, Pape founded the
Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, which he directs. The project is
funded by the Carnegie Corporation, the Pentagon's Defense Threat
Reduction Agency, the University of Chicago, and the Argonne National
Laboratory." - wikipedia
The creation of Political state by Europeans GUILTY over the Nazi
PERSECUTION of a RELIGION, imposing their solution by APPROPRIATING
Palestinian land!?
Palestinians are Christian AND Muslim, many Zionists were not even
religious.. the problem is a POLITICAL one, as is made clear when
you consider the centuries in which Jews, Muslims and Christians
co-existed poeacefully, as they do in Australia right now!!! B^]
You are trying to substitute propaganda for rational argument.
Very weak, intellectually fraudulent and lacking in integrity.
Post by Seon FergusonIf there was no religion the Jews would not have
a reason to reinvade it.
They always had religion, they never re-invaded.. thus Religion is
not the CAUSE.
The imposition of Israel on the Palestinians was by Europeans,
acting out of Guilt over yet another Pogrom persecuting Religious,
it was a POLITICAL cause, and the Zionist state and Hamas
both USE religion to gain support in their POLITICAL STRUGGLE.
Arabs and Jews live peacefully in other POLITICAL CONTEXTS
around the world.
Post by Seon FergusonMaybe the Zionists will but they couldn't claim
God told them to.
Zionism is a political movement, not a religion.
You are the one who is on record claiming the 40,000,000
dead in atheist regimes is not the fault of atheists, because they
are also communists.. are you sure you wish to persist with such hypocrisy?
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
All you have to do now is prove that terrorism is a natural
and INSEPERABLE part of theism..
Hard to do when most religious societies are NOT terrorist,
but ALL atheist regimes have been.
Off you go Sonny Jim, your arse has been kicked ..again!!
Post by Seon FergusonWhat people Can witness with their own eyes is that you deny the
crimes of the Athesit regimes, much greater and in the 'MODERN' era!
What about Saudi Arabia?
It's not an atheist regime you are denying. So you concede my point.
It is a vile Theocracy. I, because I am consistent, denounce it,
and i note while doing so that it is NOT TYPICAL of Islam.
Indonesia, the worlds largest Muslim nation, is.
We all note your hypocrisy, you SELECTIVELY choose the LEAST
representative but WORST example of Islam in an attempt to
distract from the now proven accusation that you defend atheism,
where EVERY Atheist regime has been a totalitarian TYRANNY.
Your hypocrisy is well established.
Post by Seon FergusonAnd the other Muslim regemes that are opressing
women and stoning people for withcrcaft, for being gay or for
converting from Islam?
1,800,000,000 Muslims, how many individual crimes have you documented.
On your kind of RABID LUNATIC ILLOGIC, *Men* are Guilty of everything
and should be denounced!
Your PREJUDICE is based on just such a simple category error.
The Nazis built their tyranny on such propaganda tools,
they found a Jewish rapist and saturated the public
discourse with the term Jewish Rapist, creating a bogus
and deadly Collective Responsibility.
That is what you are doing to MILLIONS of innocent Muslims,
while you are a Holocaust denier when it comes to the
ATHEIST holocausts on a far more vast scale.
Post by Seon FergusonThose regemes are COMMUNIST they were not done in the name
of Atheism.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Nazi Criminals were not as forthcoming as the Atheist who
INITIATED the Red Terror.. they never said "We are going
to slaughter Jews" they just did it.
What you are doing is IGNORING the deaths of 40,000,000
victims of EXPLICITLY ATHEIST REGIMES, TARGETTING PRIESTS,
CHURCHES NAD RELIGION, and trying to pretend it wan't done
by atheists.. when Lenin shows you are wrong in claiming
"it wasn't done in the name of atheism" .. which would
be a PISS WEAK attempt to excuse atheist regimes anyway!!! 8^o
Then, when 16 in 1,800,000,000 Muslims commits a crime killing
3,000 people, including Muslims, you take the CRIMINALS claim
that they 'do it in the name of Islam' and SIMPLY SWALLOW IT 8^o
So you can blame the 1,800,000,000 INNOCENT Muslims, including
the VICTIMS of the trerrorist act!!!?!!?
WHAT KIND OF HATE FILLED FUCKING BIGOT ARE YOU????
And, the final straw in your IRRATIONAL HATRED, the terrorist
acts are EXPLICITLY condemmned in the Qur'an!
Where dose atheist ideology explicity oppose the terror and
slaughter of the atheist regimes???
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
Atheists demonstrate that communist tyranny is Still
'in the name of atheism' to this day! (YOUR weak apologia, NOT MINE!)
Atheist Holocaust deniers still celebrate mass murdering atheist tyrants;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8294?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8293?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8292?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8291?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
Atheist Communists
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8297?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/photo/search?q=che
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo?page=9#
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo?page=8
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo?page=467
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
The Atheist leadership's policies were implemented under
the Rred Terror, via gulags and executions, the use of
every arm of the state for anti-religious propaganda
and the forced indoctrination of CHILDREN! B^[
“We do not fight against believers and not even clergymen.
WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD to snatch believers from Him.”
-Vechernaia Moskva, a Soviet newspaper
“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth,
and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)
"the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
- Daniel Peris,
"Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
"Criticism of atheism was strictly forbidden"
"Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested.
In 1918, the Cheka under Felix Dzerzhinsky executed over
3000 Orthodox clergymen of all ranks.
Some were drowned in ice-holes or poured over with cold water
in winter until they turned to ice-pillars.'
Post by Seon FergusonHow many times do I have to explain this to you?
Repeating your lies does not improve their veracity.
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
Why do atheist regimes ALWAYS murder and terrorise religious,
while MOST religious societies allow atheist minorities their
human rights?
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
Post by Seon FergusonIn the Dark Ages, illiteracy, ignorance and brutality were the NORM,
in the 20th century they were the NORM in atheist societies, but not
in tolerant, moderate religious democractic societies (eg USA Australia)
Australia is a secular society. USA was originally a secular one as well
Both have religious majorities..
Atheism in the USA is a mere 0.7% of the population, but, unlike EVERY
atheist tyranny, such minority beliefs are tolerated as part of
universal Human Rights, DENIED in EVERY atheist state!!
Why do you you atheists ALWAYS crush minorities and suppress human
rights EVERY TIME you seize power?
Post by Seon Fergusonbut the religious right took over.
Now the religious majority has crushed the right and installed a
MODERATE, intelligent, black BELIEVER...
and the rights of atheists are still protected.. why do you atheist
hypocrites support atheist regimes which ALWAYS deny such basic rights..?
Why do you prefer to live among civilised MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies,
rather than totalitarian shitholes where atheist TYRANTS rule???
That is, why don't you fuck off yo the PARADISE which you all always
claim will result when Religion is ELIMINATED, but never DOES HAPPEN..
I will pay for your tickets to Nth Korea, so you can WAKE THE FUCK UP
about the endless SHITDRIBBLE you spout in Usenet!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Post by Seon FergusonYour 'argument' really can't get any weaker.
If you seriously prefer atheist shitholes why don't you fuck offf
to North Korea...
That is not an atheist shithole. It is a communist shit hole.
Nothing has changed among the Holocaust Deniers:
EVERY PARTY MEMBER OF THE SOVIET RULING PARTY WAS AN ATHEIST!!!!
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Post by Seon FergusonNone of
the things the dictator did were in the name of Atheism.
The Nazi's Final Solution was not announced "IN THE NAME OF NAZISM"
either, you immoral shitpig.. but it was REAL and Committed by Nazis!
You on the other hand choose to believe what terrorists SAY! pffft
What a complete fuckwit!
THE ATHEIST UNION OF SAVAGE SLAUGHTER AND REPRESSION - USSR's terror
torture and murder of 20,000,000 which WAS ANNOUNCED AS SPECIFIC
ATHEIST POLICY by the ATHEIST In CHARGE! And implemented by an
All-Atheist Party!
Suck it UP, you morally defective apologist for the atheist holocaust!
Post by Seon FergusonThe fact that you don't means that, LIKE ALL ATHEISTS, you prefer
to live as a TINY MINORITY in religious societies, than anywhere
where atheism rules!!!!
I'm not an athist
You are an apologist for atheist crimes, an atheist holocaust denier.
You are FAR MORE COMPLICIT than the 1.8 Billion Muslims YOU blame
for terrorist acts by a tiny minority who are REPUDIATED by the
majority of Muslims.
The Majority of atheists, like you, DENY AND DEFEND the Atheist
Crimes against humanity...
The Islamic council of Australia denounces Terror.
Everyone can see the difference!
Post by Seon Fergusonbut religion has oppressed humanity.
You never have any facts to support your lies.
The balanced view is that the religion is the ONGOING inspiration
and sustainer of JUDEAO/CHRISTIAN(/ISLAMIC) CIVILISATION!!! B^)
There never was any practical 'Atheist alternative..' Atheism
only produces tyrannies far more violent and repressive than
the handful of religious aberrations in a history of human progress
under evolving Spiritual teachings! B^]
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.
- Galileo Galilei 1615.
..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it
- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
- Louis Pasteur 1822-95
As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918
There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.
- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918
"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington
Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.
- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)
George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)
Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)
John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)
Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)
Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)
Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)
Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)
Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)
Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)
Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)
Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein
"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)
Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.
William Turner the "father of English botany"
John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,
Galileo Galilei
René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.
John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine
Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.
Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday
Charles Babbage
Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.
Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,
Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.
Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.
John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.
Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.
John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.
And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were
RATIONAL believers!!!!!! B^D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
Explain the historical evidence that religion produces, inspires
and sustains the world's great civilisations and atheism has
never produced a SINGLE ONE!!!! EVERY atheist nation has been a
short lived, bloody disaster, a failed tyranny, an atheist
SHITHOLE!!
Post by Seon FergusonNo answer from Seon the Lightweight? The Argument is settled.
He has abandoned the field, run off by the weight of EVIDENCE! B^)
Post by Seon FergusonBut it used to be the TINY MINORITY thought the Earth was round when
everyone was saying it was flat.
It was Christians (Galileao, Kepler) who showed IGNORANT
humanity the way!! B^D
It was Muslims who gave you Algebra, Hospitals and Surgical instruments
still in use today..
How come Religion always leads mankind forward, not atheism,
which only produces TOTALITARIAN SHITHOLES!!
It's a 100% correlation: Atheist Regimes = Tyranny
Post by Seon FergusonIt used to be the TINY MINORITY thought the Earth revolved
around the sun while the majority thought it was the other way round.
Originally that minority was TWO (count them, 2) CHRISTIANS.. B^D
Galileao and Kepler. (Yes Yes you whining hypocrites, the Church
persecuted Galileao, but he remained focused on God and Truth,
not organisations dedicated to their own power.. and so
GALILEAO WON ;-)
Now.. where were the atheists?? 8^o
None had the idea, None even supported Galileao when HE DID!
Are they all GUTLESS COWARDS? or MORE
IGNORANT than these ground breaking Theist scientists!? B^D
..or were they simply IRRELEVANT and ALMOST NON-EXISTENT,
like they are now!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
I have always got it. Read Brecht for a powerful
re-construction of the the Church's persecution of
Galileao.
You just misunderstand because you confuse religion
and the spiritual teachings it is based upon.
I can put on a priest's costume , like Atheists at a gay
Mardi Gras, and fuck you up the arse..
You would blame religion, I would say "is it in accord
with the teaching of religion"? No, then it's not religion,
it's some evil fuck PRETENDING, wanting to blame SOMEONE
or SOMETHING else, rather than himself, and you are so lacking
in intelligence and judgement that you simply BELIEVE whatever
any criminal tells you.. you are seriously fucked in more ways than
one! !! B^D
Post by Seon FergusonJust because everyone believes something is true
doesn't make it true.
You believe 16 blokes with boxcutters who bitchslapped
the worlds superpower in resentment and anger at a range of
political and cultural humiliations, when they say "we act
in the name of Islam"!!! How fucking idiotic are YOU!???
And yet you deny that atheism is responsible when an ATHEIST
Regime, led by an atheist leader of a party of Atheists
implement Atheist policy, killing and torturing religious,
stealing their porperty and subjecting Children to
Forced indoctrination in Atheist ideology in school, and adults
in Gulags, camps and the NKVD dungeons!!
How fuckng HYPOCRITICAL ARE YOU??
Post by Seon FergusonI wish I could heighlight that to empthasise it.
Oh, I think you have emphasised your idiocy and hypocrisy quite well
But i doubt anyone but atheists empathise with you!
Post by Seon FergusonBWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
Game Set Match!
Post by fasgnadhand the centuries of oppression and suffering.
What 'centuries of oppression and suffering'??
The burning times, the crusades, the spanish Inquisision, torturing
people, burning heratics at the stake, you can't be that dense can you?
Oh you mean back in the Dark Ages, the pre-literate era of humanity?
Before Islam, the Reformation, and the flowering of Judeao/Christian
Islamic Civilisation?
And how does the death toll for your medieval complaints stack up
to the recent Atheist death toll.
Inquisiiton.. 20,000?
Witch burnings.. 2,000
All centuries ago.. and yet, in living memory, we have
40,000,000 dead from the atheist holocausts..
i think the historical evidence is Clear..
Religions have progressed, athesim regressed and no matter
how you look at it, the suffering and death under EVERY
atheist regime is far greater than than under a few, atypical,
religious societies.
That explains why people, including atheists, choose to live in
MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies, like Australia, the USA Europe
India, Indonesia, than in Athsit regimes, USSR, Maoist China, Pol Pots
Cambodia and Nth Korea.
Post by Seon FergusonAll of us alive now can remember the 20,000,000
killed by the Soviet Union and the 20,000,000 killed in
Mao's China both ATHEIST REGIMES.
How can you compare that to life in a modern democratic
society based on religion and spiritual teaching such as
the USA, Australia, Europe!?
The founding fathers despised Christianity but they put in relligious
freedom in the consitution because they believed religioun gave us morals.
They seem to have been correct, when you compare it to the recent
Atheist experiments which all ended in terror, torture and death, human
misery on an UNPRECEDENTED scale!!
Post by Seon FergusonAustralia well I am not forced to go to church like you
No one is forced to go to church!
"There must be no compulsion in religion"
You are confusing modern, mainly religious societies with recent
Atheist tyrannies!
Post by Seon Fergusonand the Christian democrats would want.
Prposterous.. Show evidence for your claim that I,
or Christian Democrats, want to force people to attend church!
Why do you have to constantly resort to LIES and unfounded
opinions!????
Post by Seon FergusonSociety needs to be secular.
Oh so it's YOU that wants to impose what YOU believe is 'necessary'
No surprises then that you are an apologist for Lenin, who DID what
you advocate!
Fucking TYRANTS!
Society needs to be FREE. The government needs to respect ALL
religious views, anti religious views and don't know or don't care -
theism, atheism and agnosticism.
Which is what we have, created by a predominately RELIGIOUS
society, with Legal RIGHTS for athesits and agnostics
guaranteed!! What a contrast with EVERY atheist regime!!! B^[
Post by Seon FergusonThe government needs to be neautral.
That is a direct contradiction of your claim that society
needs to be secular.
A majority religious society can have a President who prays,
and can have hymns and prayers at ANZAC ceremonies, and
prayers in parliament, but still recognises the rights of the
tiny atheist minority not to take part, just as a majority
hetero society can celebrate and support childbirth and rearing,
but does not try and make homosexuals have sex with the opposite
gender.
You don't seem to understand the BALANCE, which is why you
always take such idiotically extremist positions;
Post by Seon FergusonOtherwise you turn out like a religious shithole like Saudi barbaria.
Not typical of Islam, though is it! B^)
Vastly outnumbered by Indonesian Muslims.
Whereas EVERY ATHEIST REGIME has been WORSE than the worst,
ATYPICAL Muslim nation you could cite!! B^D
EVERY ONE.. that's 100% of atheist regimes!! 8^o
You seem to be too dumb to understand what that means!
Post by Seon FergusonYou just look silly.
Post by fasgnadhAnd before you bring up Communist regimes the oppression was done
in the name of communism.
Post by Seon FergusonThey were ATHEIST regimes.. the only ones in history!!! B^]
They said they were communist regimes.
Sure, the Nazis said they were Deutchland, but they were STILL NAZIS!
Every member of the Ruling communist party WAS AN ATHEIST, their
Leader, Lenin, who initiated the atheist Red Terror was an atheist,
they implemented explicitly atheist politicies, the Founder of communism
was an atheist.. so explain, WHY Do YOU THINK THAT BEING COMMUNISTS
MAKES THEM NOT ATHEISTS????
Now, you are clearly an ignorant fuckwit who can't claim to speak for a
significant body of atheists.. this bloke can:
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Prove him wrong.
The historical evidence shows you are an idiot.
Post by Seon FergusonNothing to do with atheism.
http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html
Post by Seon FergusonGive me one quote where any of the oppression
had to do with Atheism
You have been snipping them and pretending they don't exist
for ages! B^D
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.tomandang.com/blog/images/headUpArse.jpg
Post by Seon Fergusonand nothing to do with communism.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
Post by Seon FergusonEVERY atheist regime was a bloody TYRANNY, and their people
could NOT WAIT till they were assigned to the dustbin of history and
religion once more permitted!
Post by Seon FergusonSo was every Christian regime.
Bullshit.
You are simply a cheap bare faced liar!
Every atheist state has been a tyranny..
No one has ever presented an atheist state which was not a tyranny.
Most majority religious nations, are, like Australia, open,
democratic, tolerant and protective of human rights.
Not ONE Atheist nation has been!!
Put up or shut up, you pathetic LIAR!
Post by Seon FergusonLook at what Bush did in the last 8 years.
The same MAJORITY RELIGIOUS nation, tossed out the republicans
and elected a MODERATE believer.
Suck it up! The problem may be democracy, the solution has
been to elect a GENUINE believer, not a political fraud! B0
Now, tell us one atheist state where theists can EVEN STAND
for office, rather than be killed for their faith???
You ignore the facts and blather bullshit;
Post by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhPost by fasgnadhPost by Seon FergusonIf that is the truth
then we should stop sending former Nazi's to jail
All the illogic of a braindead atheist!
They want everyone else to join
them in LYING about the past!!!! B^D
It is a FACT that events in 1300 A.D. ARE In the past, but why you
lunatics think that means Nazi's shouldn't go to jail (for crimes
which clearly have ben committed in LIVING MEMORY) is something we
will leave you blithering idiots to explain to everyone..
(i care not a fig for your insane blather! ;-)
Post by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhEurope was hungry for fresh air
after nearly a millennium stultifying oppression by the
"one true church".
True, and Islam provided it! B^)
The problem was Medieval ignorance, it was in
contrast to the latest Divine Revelation which was
launching a brilliant Civilisation to take
mankind to the next level.
Of course it was a tussle between an ossified faith
and a renewed new revelation, because ALL of
history is shaped by Spiritual Teachings,
there were no Atheist Civilisations at all!
Thanks for pointing that out!
"Those that make NO Mistakes, are those that MADE NOTHING!" B^D
And As we have seen from Atheism in the Modern Era,
the choice, if you want civilisation, is still
which is the best (most contemporary)
revelation! B^D
The Cathars were heretics like the Gnostics and
Manichians centuries before.
I love it when atheists not the persecution of the religious in the
past, when the greatest persecution of the religious was in the
20th Century, BY ATHEISTS! 8^o
The duality of the Cathars believing that
God created the spiritual world and Satan the physical
world was said to be completely un-xian but
torturing and burning anyone who believed such was entirely
xian. The church pulled out out all stops and sent a
contingent of inquisitors to root out any descent.
So how many died in the Medieval Inquisition, compared
to the 40,000,000 killed by atheists in the
'modern'(sic) era???
What? NO ANSWER FROM SEON THE LIGHTWEIGHT?!!!!?
Post by fasgnadhPost by fasgnadhPost by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhIt's measured in the THOUSANDS!
What hypocrisy, for modern atheists who are DENIERS of the recent
atheist holocausts, killing millions, to crucify MODERN
Christianity for Dark Deeds in the
Medieval age of Ignorance, which are acknowledged
by modern Christians and killed thousands! 8^o
And these atheist hypocrites then misrepresent MY position as the
Collective Responsibility Atheists preach in regard to Religions
('they are all responsible for the acts of Ancient Times, and
of each other') when I say simply 'atheism is
historically a Tyranny, in EVERY case of atheist regimes,
and Modern atheism makes itself COMPLICIT by
refusing to admit it, and becoming atheist Holocaust DENIERS!'
Here's the Atheist position, holding the the modern
Church responsible for ancient misdeeds,
dredging up CENTURIES OLD complaints because the
Church has EVOLVED, while Athesim has REGRESSED, (from
insignificance in history, to 20th century
mayhem and murder, and back to irrelevance! B^)
Light a candle to find your way through the darkness
and the church was sure to blow it out.
You have described the Darkness brought by EVERY Atheist regime,
not the history of an evolving human civilisation inspired by
progressive revelation. B^]
Where are the Atheist Lights to match these;
No answer from Seon the Lightweight? The Argument is settled.
Seon cannot deal with reality.
Post by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhPost by fasgnadhPost by Seon FergusonPost by fasgnadhI do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who
has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect
has intended us to forego their use and by some other means
to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct
experience or necessary demonstrations.
- Galileo Galilei 1615.
..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly
imbued with the aspiration toward truth
and understanding. This source of feeling, however,
springs from the sphere of Religion... science without
religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand
even though we are aware of it
- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are
marvellously discerned in all His works and divinely
read in the open book of heaven
- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
- Louis Pasteur 1822-95
As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no
idea of the manner by which the All-Wise
God perceives and understands all things.
- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us,
of why and how an old song can move us to tears..
.. Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow
form a part, to which we belong.
The most popular name for it in our time is God.
- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918
The only good thing to come out
of the church is the exit door.
Apart from Newton, Galileao, Kepler, Pasteur, Pascal, Kelvin, Fleming,
Planck, Euler, Boyle, Leibnitz, Babbage, Mendel.. et al
BWAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA
"Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître (July 17, 1894 –
June 20, 1966) a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, honorary prelate,
professor of physics and astronomer at the Catholic University of
Leuven, proposed the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe"
The modern understanding of the origin of the universe,
from a modern rational Theist! B^]
Atheism produced nothing for MILLENNIA, and then it
inflicted five brutal tyrannies which tortured terrorised
and murdered tens of millions, before being
re-assigned to the dustbin of history!
And yet atheists still whine about Medieval Misdeeds!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
Suck it up, you jealous whiners!!!!!
--
"In Lebanon in the 1980s, of 41 suicide attackers from
Hezbollah 1982- 1986, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists.
Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians,
one of which was a Christian high school teacher with a B.A.
If RELIGION is the critical factor, how come we have three
Christian suicide bombers, and a majority of SECULAR suicide
bombers?
Clearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
Something else is."
- "Dying To Win" Professor Robert Pape
